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[Mar. 29th, 2007|07:03 am]
Well guys, I got the final word last night. ACE is definitely not publishing book three. I really, truly appreciate all the people who wrote to ACE on my behalf. I'm clearly not much of a writer, or I would be able to properly express how wonderful it feels that people are willing to go to bat for me.

I'll be sending the full manuscript to my agent, and he's going to see if other publishing companies might be willing to revive the series.

In the meantime, I'm going to be writing little snippets of life for Taro and Lee. Stuff that won't be spoilers or interfere with the official books. Some will be from the POV of other characters. I'm looking forward to that. It's going to be fun, and hopefully, pleasant to read.

And I don't imagine spending a whole lot of time looking for another publisher to take on the series. Because really, why would they? So book three should be up at my site fairly soon.

As to the Team Book, which I'm thinking of calling Four Voices, first draft is half done. yay!

[User Picture]From: joekyoju
2007-03-29 11:58 am (UTC)
Moira, I'm so sorry. ACE is making a huge mistake. I'm glad that you're having your agent shop book three around - I felt, and still feel, that as more books in the series come available more people will go back and buy the first two. It just needs time for word of mouth to grow.

You're a wonderful writer and a great person. I'm so proud to be your friend.
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[User Picture]From: script_72
2007-03-29 12:44 pm (UTC)
I agree with Joe. The series jus needed a chance to grow. Unfortunately, ACE wasn't willing to go the distance. (Says more about them as a publishing company than you as a writer.) Why not shop for another publisher? Go for it! You never know what'll happen until you try. As for the snippets, bring 'em on! I can't wait to read them.

Great title for the team book. I'd pick it up off a shelf b/c of it. ;)
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[User Picture]From: pith
2007-03-29 01:36 pm (UTC)
Stupid publishers. I'd totally buy book #3 (I haven't read #2 yet, but that's due to time restrictions, nothing more), and get copies for friends. I hope you can find a better home for it.
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[User Picture]From: bagelcat
2007-03-29 04:30 pm (UTC)

Silly Ace

I'm sorry to hear that Moira. Don't let Ace's lack of vision get you down. Who knows...once you get other stuff published, they might be kicking themselves for letting you go and begging to reprint and have you finish the series.
After all, Universal and United probably wished they had green lighted Star Wars back in the early 70's.
I look forward to your snippets and anything else you write...published or otherwise. You are a fabulous writer and a great friend and I know you'll continue to accomplish amazing things!
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[User Picture]From: yukinoomoni
2007-03-29 08:18 pm (UTC)
Ace is officially the stupidest company ever.

I would love to see a little drabble coming from Taro's perspective. That would be really neat!

And I can't wait to read the Team Book.
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From: (Anonymous)
2007-03-29 08:28 pm (UTC)

Boooo!! - and Yaaaay!

Silly, silly, *less polite word* ACE!

...And now I'm torn between saying what is plain obvious - that other publishers are *bound* to want the series, so don't rush into giving it away too soon - and what I-as-desperate-reader want to say which is - Yayy!! The 3rd book's going to be online! Squeeeee! :-D

TB :-)
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From: jenfullmoon
2007-03-29 09:45 pm (UTC)

I'm glad you'll put it online, at least. But I am bummed. I've pimped the book to whoever I could, dangit!
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[User Picture]From: azhureheart
2007-03-29 11:15 pm (UTC)
I'm really sorry to learn that. There must be a bunch of idiots in that company.

Ace doesn't do anything for their reputation acting like that. Why readers shoud buy books they published if they may stop in the middle of a story ?! Readers prefer publishers who stick to their writers and doesn't leave them without an end.

I look forward to read the third book and the snippets anyway.

You rock, whatever they say.
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[User Picture]From: freakanature88
2007-03-30 05:21 am (UTC)
:: pouts :: What terrible people! I think it's horrible that they won't publish book three... :: growls :: Either way, I look forward to reading book three!
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From: rubic_cube
2007-03-30 09:05 am (UTC)
I have just read these books and i can't believe that there won't be a book 3. That really sucks! Boo to ACE rubbish! But you definitely find another publisher who are willing!
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[User Picture]From: blue_like_me
2007-03-30 10:27 am (UTC)
That's idoitic. I love your books, Why should anyone want to stop publishing them. Silly Silly publishes.

They all deserve a big boot to the rear.

Although, now I can stop bugging book stores I go into.
(i.e. New to reading your blog.)
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[User Picture]From: saiena
2007-03-30 11:15 am (UTC)
To echo everyone else, that's awful. I'm so sorry to hear that. What a let down on their part *grr* Good luck seeking publishing elsewhere. You never know, the Team book (intriguing title, by the way) might lead to a new life for them in the end.

I'd love to read more Taro and Lee snippets, especially from Taro and some of the other's pov. Anything new from you will be a treat.

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[User Picture]From: just_jess_b
2007-03-30 03:04 pm (UTC)

Going Indie

One of my friends highly reviewed your Hero series, and she is disappointed that ACE isn't publishing the third book. I'm pleased that you're putting it out anyway. It needs to be out, however you get it out there. Also, I assume you considered getting a POD publisher so people who have the paperbacks can purchase the books to finish the set on the wall.

Keep writing Indie; I promise you people want to read something different (I have a book I'm publishing independently mid-April and already have two dozen people asking to be told when it's coming out). The most frustrating thing is that so many inferior books are put out there, and sometimes superior books have the life edited out of them. Maybe you could consider whether or not you could re-release the original books you wrote, without edits you perhaps considered shouldn't have been pulled out. Because they would be different enough, it could be considered a "Second Edition".

While the loss of the corporate sponsorship is disappointing, you have cred on-line and the best type of publicity: word of mouth. Don't worry too much about the loss -- if you write something new that gets seen, you'll get that publication contract back (or a better one).

You have readers; keep writing.
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[User Picture]From: careful_i_bite
2007-03-30 03:22 pm (UTC)
I'm still waiting for the books to arrive(ordered them a few weeks ago as I now have the resources and hopefully the time) but I've read the wonderful reviews for the both of them. It's definately a shame that the publisher isn't continuing the series but I'm sure you'll find another one. After all, you are a fun person, I'll expect nothing worse from you. I'll read the books as soon as they come in, can't wait!

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[User Picture]From: cywrain
2007-04-01 01:59 pm (UTC)
I am so sorry to hear Ace won't be publishing your third book. Booo!

I'm also going to possibly open up a can of worms and say that before you make the third book freely available for downloading, you may want to check and make sure that action won't weaken the marketing/sales potential of your Hero trilogy at another publishing house. I work as an editor in a nonfiction house (http://www.brookespublishing.com) and don't have any direct experience with publishing fiction novels, but I would think that a new publishing house would have to consider why they should spend the money marking the third book when most of the fans of the series have already downloaded a free copy. And yes, I say this even though I, as a (huge) fan, am dying to know what happens in the third book and really, really want to read it. And I could also be entirely incorrect: Perhaps having the third book available for free would only encourage new readers to go back and purchase the first two books, thus strengthening your sales history; but you may want to look into it before making a decision.

An alternative option would be for you to have a download of your book available on your web site for a small fee. If nothing else, you would be able to have count of the number of copies that were downloaded and could take the total sales figure to a potential publishing house and say, “See, this is how much money this book has earned just through being downloaded.” I haven’t seen this option on any author web site, but several web sites for independent bands have this option (see http://www.thedreamingmusic.com/ for an example).

If you’d rather not look into setting up your web site to enable downloads by fee and you have decided against listing the book as a free download, a middle of the road option would be to just pass free copies of the book to fans who have already expressed interest in it, but not posting it publicly on your web site.

And also: Hello! I’ve been lurking on your LJ every since reading The Hero Strikes Back, and it’s nice to speak to you. I’m sorry to post such a long comment out of the blue. Best of luck.
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From: (Anonymous)
2007-04-02 10:58 am (UTC)

Agree with Cywrain

Forgive my writing but I just wanted to agree with what Cywrain said. When you get a setback you feel first off like you want to give up but later on you might feel able to try again i.e. pursue other publishers, and it'd be a shame to cut off any options. Not that I don't REALLY want to read the book asap - I recently discovered the first two (via Amazon's recommendations thing) and originally only came to this site to see when the third book would come out..

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From: (Anonymous)
2007-04-04 05:21 pm (UTC)

No way!!!

I'm really upset to hear that your third book isn't coming out!! I've been looking all over the internet for any sign of the title, or an excerpt, sense the The Hero Strikes Back came out. This is the first that I've heard of its termination. Its a good story line, and I like how you write from inside Lee's head. Its the best character development I've encountered in a while, and I'm able to relate to her. I truly hope that another publisher has the intelligence to see a good thing.
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From: (Anonymous)
2007-04-04 09:49 pm (UTC)
Oh, man. Moira, the Lee and Taro books are wonderful, and I'm so sorry ACE is being short-sighted about this. Although as a reader I *really* want to find out what happens next, I want the book(s) to be published much, much more: they deserve it and so do you.

But in the meantime, I'm definitely looking forward any background snippets you care to post - I really hope you find the lost Taro POV's! :-)

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From: skaldiwayland
2007-05-14 10:33 am (UTC)
I'm really sorry to hear that your publisher is lacking in taste and imagination. I was recommended your books from amazon, got them for my birthday (yesterday) finished reading the The Hero Strikes Back about an hour ago, and came straight online to find out about the next one.
So I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed your books and that along with very many other people I sincerely hope you will write many more. (Perhaps there wasn't enough sex in it for ACE, almost every fantasy book I have read lately seems to have gratuitous sex scenes in them, with no real emotional development before hand with the characters. I was glad to find yours didn't go that way.)
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From: (Anonymous)
2007-05-18 02:24 pm (UTC)

Re: Taro and Lee

First of all, never apologize for a long post. It's a compliment that you had so much to say. And I could never get tired of being told by someone that they couldn't put my book down. Wow. There have been nights I've spent reading when I should have been sleeping. Should I find it exciting that my writing can do the same to others?

Yes, Triple S stands for Source and Shield Service. It should have been explained somewhere in the book. Maybe that got lost during one of the edits.

In case you didn't read the later posts on my journal, ACE changed their minds. I'm still not sure why, but I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. They have book three and I'm waiting for their list of suggested changes. As soon as I know when it's to hit the shelves, I'll announce that news on my live journal.

Thank you for letting me know you enjoyed the books. I treasure that.

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[User Picture]From: moiraj
2007-05-21 04:59 pm (UTC)

Re: Taro and Lee

Dear Rowan (love that name!):

I believe that the books are available on Amazon UK at the same time they're released in North America. If you're comfortable ordering online. It was a long time before I would order anything over the internet, because the security is so unreliable.

And thank you for trying to get others to read the books. The numbers don't matter. I'm grateful for the effort.

I wouldn't say that I find writing books difficult, per se. There are a ton of books that I've started and not finished, and I probably never will finish them. For some reason, the motivation dies. Sometimes that takes only a couple of chapters, sometimes I get a couple of hundred pages in, and then I lose interest. It becomes a chore, and I have enough chores.

Looking back on what I've finished and what I haven't, most of the books I've finished have been written in reaction to something that has angered or annoyed me. Books that I've started simply because I wanted to create a new world with a premise I haven't come across before don't hold my interest. And if it doesn't hold my interest, I feel there isn't a chance it's going to hold a reader's interest.

I have a character in my head that I love, and a supporting cast with their relationships and backstories all figured out, and a setting, and I can't get a plot that works. I've started that book at least four or five times, and nothing rings true. It's really frustrating.

So, when something makes me really angry, to the point I want to write about it, it then becomes a manner of what I want to say about that particular thing, and what is the best way I go about it. I don't sit down and plot it out on pen and paper, I just think about it. Daydream, really, before I go to sleep, or when I'm driving somewhere, or whatever. And all sorts of things can spark an idea, a headline in the newspaper or an off-hand comment.

Usually I've daydreamed about a book for months before I start to write it, and I'll have a rough mental outline of the main characters, I'll know the beginning and the end and some points in between. The rest gets filled in as I write.

And I write at least four drafts of any book I consider finished. There will be huge differences between draft one and draft two, as ideas I come up with near the end of draft one have to be woven into the beginning of draft two.

I hope that helps. Thank you so much for your kind words. I really appreciate getting them.

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